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Whenever I hear that “all human languages all are of the same order, that their cultures may differ for various histories and reasons, but that all humans are pretty much alike,” I wonder why all these “alike” humans look so different.
Looks are just what the “anthropological” perspective was supposed to transcend, but before we transcend it, maybe the look is worth a second look.
Tutsis are about twice as tall as Hutus, and the difference is so pervasive that when the radio screamed “Chop the tall trees,” all the Hutus knew who to kill. But somehow this huge change in gross anatomy left the fine structure of the brain absolutely identical! We’re all the same! Tall and short don’t mean a thing!
There are some problems involved with extending this approach to other species. My friend’s Golden Retriever jumped in the pond as soon as he saw it, and started retrieving anything that floats without a hint of training, but if I throw a chihuahua off the dock, it won’t even float itself, much less retrieve anything.
A species is nothing but a population that can inter-breed, so some constraints apply to the naughty parts, but for the rest of the anatomy, identity is just a pleasant fiction.
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An interesting nutshell about the paradox of surface difference but deeper similarity is this: tall or small we all have mothers, and tall or small we all have some parental beings that we are very close to and/or have issues with that affect us deeply. We talk about this, make decisions based on this, write about this, make plays, movies, songs, and it affects every dimension of our lives. Our developmental and social human nature shares this dynamic, regardless of physical form factors. Being and awareness is larger than just form factors– tall or small one’s mother or father often always remain much larger than we are at any time. And this is just one example of the many similar social human dynamics.
I wonder if this is more the point of what Harvey has been writing about and connecting with in terms of others who are working at looking how we are here and now, in all our stages and modes of sociality. Being more critical of what is considered ordinary and out of awareness, than what is exotic and extreme seeming.
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Daniel: Chihuahuas and Golden Retrievers all have mommies and daddies, too, but chihuahuas still can’t swim, and Golden Retrievers will never find any tacos in the pond.
Harvey: I have tried to imagine the possibility of evidence that “all human languages all are of the same order.” Order of what? Compared to what? If you posit equality, what sense can it make to talk about order?
The equivalence of human languages is one of those “pleasant fictions” that conforms so beautifully to so many liberal prejudices that the very idea of testing it arouses an intense disgust in the minds of most academic hoodoos.
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Hi Jacob- Well what’s clear is that there is just a paradox or conflict here: authoritarian worldviews that see progressive and nurturing dynamics as simplistic or not worth examining, and progressive worldviews that see rules based mainly on the physical or behavioral as simplistic or even misleading.
About the premise of your comparison, the only human comparable to the breeding of dogs is– eugenics. This line of thought is ethically questionable and some would say supports a racialist view of human nature. I don’t think this is what you are driving at. Perhaps the conversation would open up more if a better comparable was used.
Harvey, aren’t you talking about more than imagining and ideas here… aren’t you talking about wisdom coming from pragmatic empirical and cultural research on human nature, like the face, emotions, kinesics, non-verbal communication in general, infant development, renewing the practice of descriptive linguistics, (and more)… all this as a basis to renew our definition of human nature– based on study and observation, not on imaginings and ideas separated from actuality; questioning what’s axiomatic and renewing ontology?
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“Different peoples, cultures, languages, appearances/bodies – not all that different.”
Is there any evidence that all human languages are equivalent?
It’s just a question.
But where did this Daniel Latorre come from, with his pronouncements about which “line of thought is ethically questionable?” Are you preparing them for careers in the thought police now, Harvey?
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Hi Jacob, I’m a former student of Harvey’s and editor of this site so I’m pretty much just about helping grow this site for those interested in Harvey’s work. I do this in my spare time for free so I don’t have much of any agenda other than working to help Harvey’s blog become an interesting place to connect with people.
We’re trying to encourage some good conversation on this site and my reply in this thread was just challenging your eugenic based example and asking for a clarification that is more apt for the topic at hand to this blog post. Just because people disagree or are challenging doesn’t mean it has anything to do with some hidden Orwellian vibe on this blog, quite the opposite in fact. Orwell loved to be clear about language.
This site is for open discussion and questioning, as we should be in this day and age of rapid cultural change; anyone can join in as long as they follow basic netiquette.
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